Ok so here is a reply to all the latest questions, my answers are bold:
So now, about these carbon tests, I did look at the links and I can see what Rick is getting at.
There is a slight conflict of interest occurring with the tests, because they have a couple of problems,
but before I get into it, I wanted to make sure that these are the photos that are not available
unless you're a rep right? Can you confirm that Beth?
To the best of my knowledge I say yes to this.
My two problems are simple, and if anyone can strip them down for me, I will never say another word of doubt
in regard fuel additives. Issue one for me, is that these tests are "normally" only available to specific people.
Hearing that triggers a bit of a red flag for me. If I were designing a company structure and wanted everything to go
as smoothly as possible, I'd have found the best source of testing such as the EPA, funded "if possible" the testing
myself and plastered the results all over the place. This would annihilate any and all doubt that the product works,
cut all the debating down, and get more reps in faster. It just seems to me like a really simple thing, and yet I know
next to nothing about business in general, let alone designing an mlm.
So I think (I have not asked, this is personal opinion) that they do this so that we the reps have the choice to who we share the tests with. The tests are out there all over the net. I know that by me putting them on the yola site has put them out there. The EPA was one that got me, so I contacted them about XFT here is what I got from them in return.
My question is at the bottom.
We have responded to your inquiry.
Thank you for your inquiry to the EPA Web site. Your request has been received by the Headquarters Public Access Service, a contractor operated reference and referral service.
You asked if EPA backs fuel products. In accordance with the Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch (Part 5 Code of Federal Regulations, 2635.702(c)), the EPA does not test or endorse commercial products, services, or enterprises. You can view this information on the U.S. Government Printing Office web site here: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/janqtr/5cfr2635.702.htm Information on fuel devices and fuel additives is provided below.
The EPA does not approve or certify retrofit devices for light duty vehicles.
Under the Aftermarket Retrofit Device Evaluation Program, also known as the "511 Program",
EPA evaluates aftermarket retrofit devices which are claimed to improve fuel economy and/or reduce
exhaust emissions. The purpose of the program is to generate, analyze, and disseminate technical data.To download test reports or contact the program, please see http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm
The Clean Air Act provides EPA with the authority to regulate fuels and fuel additives in order to reduce the risk to public health from exposure to their emissions. Each manufacturer or importer of gasoline, diesel fuel, or a fuel additive, is required to have its product registered by EPA prior to its introduction into commerce. Registration involves providing a chemical description of the product and certain technical, marketing and health-effects information. EPA uses this information to identify products whose emissions may pose an unreasonable risk to public health, warranting further investigation and/or regulation.
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Summary: Does the EPA back fuel products?
Question: I would like to know if there is a test that can be done on a fuel product to
find out if it works, how it works etc. I also would like to know if the EPA has ever backed a
product or if they are even allowed to back a product? What does it mean to have a EPA backed
product? Is there a difference to have a EPA registered product? Is this the only test that you do?
EPA Highway Fuel Economy Test (HFET) Is there any fuel product out there that the EPA backs?
Can the EPA even back a product?
And to Rick I contacted corp on your question because I needed a little more help to answer it. Here is the reply that I got back:
As you know Syntek hires GPEC Consultants to do all of our independent Carbon Mass balance testing. As you can see by his remarks the word adaption is this case is an improvement in procedures over a time period.
If you have any other questions please let us know.
This is actually a good question. When the Carbon Mass Balance test procedure was first implemented, it was a dynomometer test procedure. The piece of equipment was placed on or in a dynomometer setting, brought up to temperature and load, wherein the emissions were literally bagged for a specific (set) period of time. The accumulated emissions in the bag were then tested for concentration and oxidation type. You must understand that at the that time, emissions analyzers were not very good "on-line" analyzers/processors. The data they collected while the equipment was operational was suspect and not highly repeatable. So, they bagged the emissions so that they could get a more accurate determination as to real emissions content. The adaption comes from laboratory to field testing. Since time is the critical component for any testing, time is now the constant for the CMB in lieu of a bag. More importantly, emissions equipment has a far superior sampling and repeatability standard than was available at the time of the development of the CMB (almost 30 years). Next, the EPA does not perform testing. They do in fact help write the test procedure, but the are not equipped or setup to administer any type of testing. As suggested in the email, they use neutral facilities to perform all of the testing such as Southwest Research, ATL laboratories, Systems Control laboratories, etc., etc., etc. As you know Curt, I have tested many different additives and aftermarket devices over the past 30 years. My company, GPEC Consultants, LLC, is for hire by anyone who needs emissions testing performed, including EPA airmod testing and EPA dismantling emissions testing. So, I thought I was an independent test facility for you fine folks.
In summary, everything is an adaption of something else. In the field of testing, the ASME 4.0 test procedure is an adaption of the ASME 4.1 test procedure. Why? Because it is new and improved and much better.
I hope this helps,
GPEC Consultants, LLC
I will be checking back as often as I can. I am sure that I have said this, but want to make sure again. I close on my house on Friday the 5th & will be moving the next day & again the next weekend. I know that I will lose my internet during this time, but will keep up with the board by phone & reply when I can. I will be excited to get into my house because I get a home office & can really get into my work & really start helping others. Wallace I want to thank you for what you said about me standing behind my products. I am glad that that shows in my words, so many times that gets lost in what people say cause in words there is no voice, no face, you just have to hear through the words, so thank you. I would never work for a company that I did not believe in the product & use it myself.
Oh on another note about the samples: We as reps get a monthly autoship & we can give out those to who we want or keep it, sell it etc. I have given out many samples when I first started with Syntek & well it didn't go so well. I have though done this, if someone orders half of what is needed to do a good run with XFT I will send out some of my product from home. I just need to see that the person on the other end is willing to put in the same way I will put in. Makes me think that they are really interested.
I also think about this when it comes to samples: You go to walmart & they may hand you a sample, but it's just enough for a taste if you want to taste more you have to buy, Go into an Autozone & see if they will give you a sample of Lucas, they won't right? Well alot of us reps feel the same as autozone, if you are interested in the product enough then you will have to buy it & try it. I hope that didn't sound mean LOL!!!!!!!
I think that Syntek did do samples in the past as I have gotten product from them to use in testing of an 18 wheeler, but they stopped as time went on, maybe to many people getting & no giving.
Well look forward to reading more soon!! TYYL!! Beth