Xtreme Fuel Treatment

Fuel treatments have become a high interest subject in the times we live. The world has changed dramatically in the last 20 years with the economy at an all time low, fluctuating gas prices higher than they have ever been over all, and less money to shield against the challenge for all of us, regardless of income level. Its a time where we have had to make some changes, as well as a few sacrifices. Some of us did so by acquiring a smaller vehicle that consumes less gas, some of us decided to drive less, and walk more, while others were even forced to give up their vehicles completely in favor of public transportation where it was available and convenient. Now there is a new way of dealing with it in the form of fuel treatments. Some of them come on the form of a fluid filled bottle, others come in the form of a tablet, but all promise to do one basic thing; improve the Miles Per Gallon you get for driving, which equates to having to pay for less gas.

One such company that has surfaced with such a promise is Syntek Edge with a product known as Xtreme Fuel Treatment. The company is led by John Winterholler-CEO & President, Curt Ence
Vice President-Product Research & Development, Kirk Newman-Vice President, Marketing & Sales and Joel Theler, Vice President, Distributor Relations.  The company is located at 13002 S Budlong Ave
Gardena, CA 90247-1514. It's main product is Xtreme Fuel Treatment, a series of treatments that contain compounds which allegedly make the fuel in any engine ignite faster, which results in a longer, more efficient burning process. The result is that more fuel is actually used in the process than that which is wasted as exhaust. It equally means that the engine is healthier, and burns its fuel cleaner.

The great debate is that many of these companies are offering products that don't really do what they say they do. This includes web sites where mechanics claim that they really aren't very effective, and I myself have spoken to a few that feel the same way, but in defense of the industry, few of them say it does absolutely nothing. What seems to be the reality of it is that some engines experience an improvement, whereas others experience no change at all. It seems to be a coin toss overall, with vague and often unpredictable results. This has resulted in a 50/50 ratio of people endorsing the products, with no hard tests that conclude they do or do not work. My opinion would be to score a free sample, or if you have some extra money to blow, try it out. I am certainly not against the idea that it could very well work, under certain conditions.

The price for Xtreme Fuel Treatments can be seen in full here.

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You be the judge.

I took a look at this last night, because I've been looking at the Envirotabs as a great, synergistic match with one of my other companies...

Overall, I found it questionable AND frustrating.

On the one hand the website is slick, vibrant, and makes the product seem amazing!  But, past the surface, there are NO details. What is the product? Where's the backup information?  Approvals, tests, testimionials?  It screams 'beware' - all style, no substance.

On the other hand, for a company that has an network marketing component, it's amazingly hard to find information on it!  Signup? Commission plan? requirements?  etc.

Overall, this entire thing seems to personify the scammy fuel-additive MLM.  My warning lights are going off and I'm extremely suspicious.

Enviro, on the other hand, is opposite. I enjoyed the website, and there's plenty of information to 'dig into' and see.  Fact is, I'm going to consider buying and trying their product and see if it works.  Syntek - no chance.

I would like to correct a mistake made in this post.  Syntek Edge is a distributor site and not the company.  Syntek Global, based in Utah is the company and John Winterholler is the ceo of the company.

There is tons of information on the internet about Syntek Global and Xtreme Fuel Treatment.  Information on YouTube, Google John Winterhollers name, Curt Ence name and also Google Xtreme Fuel Treatment and XFT.

I have been a distributor for a while and work with commercial companies and a lot of distributors and have had incredible results with XFT. 

There are a lot of additives on the market but nothing that works exactly like XFT.  We have many, many tests that have been conducted by third party engeering company that does fuel analysis for companies.  The test is called a Carbon Mass Balance test and we have company after company that have tested XFT and gotten great results.

I challenge anyone that is interested in saving money on fuel or starting a business to check out Syntek Global and XFT.

Its funny you mentioned the sight, I actually thought it was fairly nice looking as well, but you would go to navigate it and it was like a puzzle lol. I can't remember if I was able to find contact info, company history etc but I'm thinking I couldn't. One thing I can't stand about a some company web sites is when they offer a contact form, which I consider one of the most useless  things you could possibly implement since you get the same service out of an email address, only its simple, and doesn't require ticket numbers and an annoying registration process. Companies should just put a phone number, address, and email under the link instead. Show that you're legit and have an actual base of operations.

If you want to learn more about Syntek Global here is the company website.

http://www.syntekglobal.com

Here is one of the distributor sites.    http://www.XFTSaves.com

Here is a commercial site.  http://www.XFTFuelSaver.com

If you have an interest in learning more you are welcome to contact me and I will be happy to discuss testing XFT for free.

I would like to correct a mistake made in this post.  Syntek Edge is a distributor site and not the company.  Syntek Global, based in Utah is the company and John Winterholler is the ceo of the company.

There is tons of information on the internet about Syntek Global and Xtreme Fuel Treatment.  Information on YouTube, Google John Winterhollers name, Curt Ence name and also Google Xtreme Fuel Treatment and XFT.

I have been a distributor for a while and work with commercial companies and a lot of distributors and have had incredible results with XFT. 

There are a lot of additives on the market but nothing that works exactly like XFT.  We have many, many tests that have been conducted by third party engeering company that does fuel analysis for companies.  The test is called a Carbon Mass Balance test and we have company after company that have tested XFT and gotten great results.

I challenge anyone that is interested in saving money on fuel or starting a business to check out Syntek Global and XFT.

Hi CPippin, thank you for correcting my mistake, that was a doozy I'm afraid lol. I'm going to try to correct it so the information is up to par. I also wanted to say thank you for leading us onto the Carbon Mass Balance test. For those of you that aren't familiar with it, here is a basic run down..

The Carbon Mass Balance procedure (“CMB”) is essentially based upon the idea that atoms can neither be created nor destroyed. The engine's only source of carbon is the fuel its burning. Measuring the outgoing carbon stream basically gives you an idea of exactly how much is going in, which makes a fairly ideal test to measure the effectiveness of such additives. If the amount of carbon is the same after adding an additive, then the product is a dud. If the amount is decreased, then more carbon has been consumed in the combustion process, which means there has been an increase in fuel efficiency. Its also important to note that the CMB is so scientifically reliable that the EPA has adopted this test. That's some tough data to dispute, so perhaps finally we have an easier, more clearer means to gauge which of these products work, and which don't. One thing that I have enjoyed about this is that we have kindly debated fuel additives in general, mostly because of an ocean of inferior products, and more specifically we have argued whether or not they are indeed effective.

So long as a company can provide proof that their product can pass this test, then I see no more reason to continue debating at least that aspect. We can move on to whether or not it is good for your vehicle, or whether or not the its a scam, or if the price really does reflect the quality. There is certainly no sense in spending the money for a fuel additive if it makes the savings in gas irrelevant. Now in regard to the carbon mass balance test, I would like to see link to these test results, for both Syntek Global and possibly Envirotabs if anyone would mind providing them here. I would prefer using the EPA as a basis because unfortunately the Internet allows an unlimited degree of fakery, and I feel only official agencies conducting the tests should be deemed legit.This doesn't mean that I will personally fight you tooth and nail and call scam for every aspect of the discussion, only that it is important that all sources be legitimate right off bat so that we can stop debating a product's effectiveness. One last question I have is whether or not the product works the same way for every vehicle, and if not, why?

Well I hate that you feel that way about the Syntek site. Here is the thing about our sites we get to a choose of landing pages. I will post a few different ones up so that you can see what I am talking about. The first is www.fuelmileageplus.com If you will notice up in the right hand corner there is the reps contact info with a phone # & e-mail address. There is a video on the front page with real testimonies. We have this site that is targeted towards network marketers. Here is one that has more testimonies & some data on it.  And yet another type here. The reason why all of the MLM's that I have seen have the more info form on there is because it is a lead capture form, we get your # & your e-mail so that we will be able to contact you & e-mail you more info as time goes along.

As you can tell I am a rep of Syntek Global & yes that is my site. I am also posting a website that I have put together to put data that only commercially certified reps have access to. Again some of the info is not put onto the site for the reader to contact the rep to get the info that they want.

fuelmileageplus.yolasite.com

I would hate for a website to turn you away from trying an awesome product.

I myself have seen results. I have several repeat customers that are very happy with this product. I have one in UK that was just amazed with his results! I love it in my own car (before I forgot to put oil in & it broke down)

So I added the Carbon doc onto the site that I put above. You can go into there & look. It is the first pdf.

Let's keep in mind that any of the fuel additives have an uphill battle - NONE have ever proven to last or be legitimate thus far.

Therefore, a site that appears to be all slick marketing with no substance sends up red flags.  A site that makes the basic information hard to find is suspicious.

I appreciate the additional links and information.  I'm a firm believer in any business of using the product and ONLY representing something that works and I believe in.  I'm not a good salesman, but I'm great at sharing my opinion! I like the product and I'll talk about it.

I'll be reading more from what you shared.

Thx,

JP

Heya Beth, thank for for providing the link to the tests, though I do have a tech question. I realize that not everyone will have an answer for this but it has to be asked. I noticed something that is stated before each section of the PDA, and it goes like this:

"The procedures utilized to measure the fuel consumption of (insert machine of choice)is an adaptation of the US-EPA Federal Test Procedures (FTP) and the Australian Standards engineering method AS2077-1982 known as the carbon mass balance."

I'm emphasizing on the term "adaption". 

I'm not trying to come off as saying this stuff is a scam no matter what, I'm just trying to figure out what they mean by "an adaption". How is it different than the EPA's test? Has the EPA done a test on Syntek fuel treatments specifically? How do we know if their tests are empirically sound, are they exact duplicates, or do they simply mimmick the tests done by the EPA? This is the kind of thing that looks pretty damn impressive, and if you look at the pics at the link Beth provided, its hard not to be convinced that the stuff isn't legit, but then a little doubt creeps in for me. It seems there is no neutral agency that has run the tests, and they were done by Syntek themselves. I don't see anything terribly wrong with that, other than the fact that they should have been done by the EPA. Perhaps I'm missing something, or maybe I didn't see it but when I looked it seemed like the test results couldn't be tracked really. Its just some photographs with alongside the claims. I wonder, does anyone know more about it that can explain the results to me?

Heya Beth, I hope you don't take the site criticism personally, because for me it has nothing to do with what you've done, but the site software itself. Not to mention Beth, who the H3II am I? lol. I'm anything but qualified to say what a smooth site should look like, maybe everyone else thinks its perfect, you never know. For me, I like an old fashioned web layout, with the traditional buttons. I am not always a "think outside the box" kind of guy unless it means something gets easier lol.

So now, about these carbon tests, I did look at the links and I can see what Rick is getting at. There is a slight conflict of interest occurring with the tests, because they have a couple of problems, but before I get into it, I wanted to make sure that these are the photos that are not available unless you're a rep right? Can you confirm that Beth?

When it comes to skeptics, (I guess I consider myself one in all areas of life) we tend to literally need our hand held through every possible doubt before we finally accept something as being true. I still want to consider myself to be reasonable, but that little lingering skepticism that Rick  mentioned is something I can naturally relate to. At the same time, Syntek, or Envirotabs reps deserve some leeway as well, and I myself don't intentionally wish to drive you insane asking you to prove every single tiny thing, and yet, in order for us to truly believe, we have to reach that point where we have seen enough to convince us.

My two problems are simple, and if anyone can strip them down for me, I will never say another word of doubt in regard fuel additives. Issue one for me, is that these tests are "normally" only available to specific people. Hearing that triggers a bit of a red flag for me. If I were designing a company structure and wanted everything to go as smoothly as possible, I'd have found the best source of testing such as the EPA, funded "if possible" the testing myself and plastered the results all over the place. This would annihilate any and all doubt that the product works, cut all the debating down, and get more reps in faster. It just seems to me like a really simple thing, and yet I know next to nothing about business in general, let alone designing an mlm.

My other issue is again the same as Rick's. We essentially have a series of photographs of what appears to be truckers, possibly engineers, attaching some type of meter to a smoke stack and literature telling us the results, but the source is the company itself and that is something that doesn't work for me personally. Testimonials were also a simple concept however long ago they started being used by companies, but I now look at them as strategy of yesterday, one that has lost all credibility as the consumer got a tad more intelligent. I sometimes feel as if the only people that don't realize it are the companies themselves. I certainly can't speak for everyone, but a testimonial from a stranger is the last thing that is going to convince me that a product works...(with the exception of you Beth, I sincerely believe you stand behind your products.).

It goes back to what was said before, about free samples. Syntek needs to start investing in a free sample campaign, also get some more viable testing done, something that can be published at a non-affiliated site, like that of the official EPA. Make the information available to EVERYONE. As I am sitting here typing this, I can't think of a single positive reason why they limited the test documents.

Ok so here is a reply to all the latest questions, my answers are bold:

So now, about these carbon tests, I did look at the links and I can see what Rick is getting at.
There is a slight conflict of interest occurring with the tests, because they have a couple of problems,
but before I get into it, I wanted to make sure that these are the photos that are not available
unless you're a rep right? Can you confirm that Beth?

To the best of my knowledge I say yes to this.


My two problems are simple, and if anyone can strip them down for me, I will never say another word of doubt
in regard fuel additives. Issue one for me, is that these tests are "normally" only available to specific people.
Hearing that triggers a bit of a red flag for me. If I were designing a company structure and wanted everything to go
as smoothly as possible, I'd have found the best source of testing such as the EPA, funded "if possible" the testing
myself and plastered the results all over the place. This would annihilate any and all doubt that the product works,
cut all the debating down, and get more reps in faster. It just seems to me like a really simple thing, and yet I know
next to nothing about business in general, let alone designing an mlm.

So I think (I have not asked, this is personal opinion) that they do this so that we the reps have the choice to who we share the tests with. The tests are out there all over the net. I know that by me putting them on the yola site has put them out there. The EPA was one that got me, so I contacted them about XFT here is what I got from them in return.

My question is at the bottom.

We have responded to your inquiry.
Thank you for your inquiry to the EPA Web site. Your request has been received by the Headquarters Public Access Service, a contractor operated reference and referral service.
You asked if EPA backs fuel products. In accordance with the Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch (Part 5 Code of Federal Regulations, 2635.702(c)), the EPA does not test or endorse commercial products, services, or enterprises. You can view this information on the U.S. Government Printing Office web site here: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/janqtr/5cfr2635.702.htm Information on fuel devices and fuel additives is provided below.

Fuel devices:
The EPA does not approve or certify retrofit devices for light duty vehicles.
Under the Aftermarket Retrofit Device Evaluation Program, also known as the "511 Program",
EPA evaluates aftermarket retrofit devices which are claimed to improve fuel economy and/or reduce
exhaust emissions. The purpose of the program is to generate, analyze, and disseminate technical data.To download test reports or contact the program, please see http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm

Fuel additives:
The Clean Air Act provides EPA with the authority to regulate fuels and fuel additives in order to reduce the risk to public health from exposure to their emissions. Each manufacturer or importer of gasoline, diesel fuel, or a fuel additive, is required to have its product registered by EPA prior to its introduction into commerce. Registration involves providing a chemical description of the product and certain technical, marketing and health-effects information. EPA uses this information to identify products whose emissions may pose an unreasonable risk to public health, warranting further investigation and/or regulation.
For more information about the registration and testing process, please see the page below. You can also find lists of registered fuels and fuel additives, as well as contact information for further questions.Registration and Health Effects Testing
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/additive.htm

You may also be interested in viewing these FAQs:
How can I improve my gas mileage?
How are fuel economy estimates for new vehicles calculated?
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Ticket Information:
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Summary:     Does the EPA back fuel products?
Question:     I would like to know if there is a test that can be done on a fuel product to
find out if it works, how it works etc. I also would like to know if the EPA has ever backed a
 product or if they are even allowed to back a product? What does it mean to have a EPA backed
 product? Is there a difference to have a EPA registered product? Is this the only test that you do?
EPA Highway Fuel Economy Test (HFET) Is there any fuel product out there that the EPA backs?
Can the EPA even back a product?

And to Rick I contacted corp on your question because I needed a little more help to answer it. Here is the reply that I got back:

As you know Syntek hires GPEC Consultants to do all of our independent Carbon Mass balance testing.  As you can see by his remarks the word adaption is this case is an improvement in procedures over a time period.
If you have any other questions please let us know.

Curt,
 
This is actually a good question.  When the Carbon Mass Balance test procedure was first implemented, it was a dynomometer test procedure.  The piece of equipment was placed on or in a dynomometer setting, brought up to temperature and load, wherein the emissions were literally bagged for a specific (set) period of time.  The accumulated emissions in the bag were then tested for concentration and oxidation type.  You must understand that at the that time, emissions analyzers were not very good "on-line" analyzers/processors.  The data they collected while the equipment was operational was suspect and not highly repeatable.  So, they bagged the emissions so that they could get a more accurate determination as to real emissions content.  The adaption comes from laboratory to field testing.  Since time is the critical component for any testing, time is now the constant for the CMB in lieu of a bag.  More importantly, emissions equipment has a far superior sampling and repeatability standard than was available at the time of the development of the CMB (almost 30 years).  Next, the EPA does not perform testing.  They do in fact help write the test procedure, but the are not equipped or setup to administer any type of testing.  As suggested in the email, they use neutral facilities to perform all of the testing such as Southwest Research, ATL laboratories, Systems Control laboratories, etc., etc., etc.  As you know Curt, I have tested many different additives and aftermarket devices over the past 30 years.  My company, GPEC Consultants, LLC, is for hire by anyone who needs emissions testing performed, including EPA airmod testing and EPA dismantling emissions testing.  So, I thought I was an independent test facility for you fine folks.
 
In summary, everything is an adaption of something else.  In the field of testing, the ASME 4.0 test procedure is an adaption of the ASME 4.1 test procedure.  Why?  Because it is new and improved and much better.
 
I hope this helps,
 
Kim LeBaron
 
GPEC Consultants, LLC

I will be checking back as often as I can. I am sure that I have said this, but want to make sure again. I close on my house on Friday the 5th & will be moving the next day & again the next weekend. I know that I will lose my internet during this time, but will keep up with the board by phone & reply when I can. I will be excited to get into my house because I get a home office & can really get into my work & really start helping others. Wallace I want to thank you for what you said about me standing behind my products. I am glad that that shows in my words, so many times that gets lost in what people say cause in words there is no voice, no face, you just have to hear through the words, so thank you. I would never work for a company that I did not believe in the product & use it myself.

Oh on another note about the samples: We as reps get a monthly autoship & we can give out those to who we want or keep it, sell it etc. I have given out many samples when I first started with Syntek & well it didn't go so well. I have though done this, if someone orders half of what is needed to do a good run with XFT I will send out some of my product from home. I just need to see that the person on the other end is willing to put in the same way I will put in. Makes me think that they are really interested.

I also think about this when it comes to samples: You go to walmart & they may hand you a sample, but it's just enough for a taste if you want to taste more you have to buy, Go into an Autozone & see if they will give you a sample of Lucas, they won't right? Well alot of us reps feel the same as autozone, if you are interested in the product enough then you will have to buy it & try it. I hope that didn't sound mean LOL!!!!!!!

I think that Syntek did do samples in the past as I have gotten product from them to use in testing of an 18 wheeler, but they stopped as time went on, maybe to many people getting & no giving.

Well look forward to reading more soon!! TYYL!! Beth

So, if I'm reading this correctly, it's an adaptation because the original test design involved bagging the exhaust, while the current test measures tailpipe emissions real-time?

Also, samples.  As much as I LOVE free samples (getting!), I can understand why a company like this wouldn't be big on them.  How many tanks need to be treated before the product really shows it's stuff?  2?  5?

A single sample might have no impact - and you loose a customer.  Give enough to see a result, and people might just walk away anyway, or continue to find reps to get samples from.

Now with my company, I can send a sample of our Javita Coffee because you taste it and within seconds or minutes you know if you like it or not.  different for a fuel additive.

Not to mention how many people will try a sample when they have no interest in the product.  Heck, if I'm in costco and they're offering artifically flavored salmon spread on a tofu wafer, I'd at least TRY it! :)

Phenomenal post Beth, I can't thank you enough for going that far to get that much information. I looked into G.P.E.C. Consulting (the company that performed the testing) and I'm not really sure what to make of them, as they are listed as being golf course designers. I'm unable to find an official web site for this company, only countless profile sites with their information. They describe themselves as engineers, Planners, Golf Course Designers, and a multi-disciplinary consulting firm which specializes in providing comprehensive planning, engineering and project management services to all areas of the private and public sector. They offer a broad range of projects such as municipal utilities, land planning and development, transportation infrastructure, waste management, recreational planning and the development of building projects. They are currently a privately held Alberta company of 35 shareholders whom are actively employed in the day to day operations of the company.

I would imagine a company that started in 1984 would have their own web site and perhaps a bit of a stronger presence on the Internet. I'm not trying to put this company down in any way, but it just seems like a strange choice to perform those tests. Saying as information about them and their credibility is so limited, Its probably best not to focus on them since there is no way to really verify anything.

As far as free samples go, I wanted to clarify that I wouldn't suggest sending everyone free samples, and I'm aware that the cost is out of the question for the rep, and I'm also aware that it takes a certain amount of treatments before a detectable difference is noticed. What I think would be more practical is for the company to hold a campaign, where it puts as many samples as it can afford aside, advertise that it has these samples lined up on a first come/first serve basis, and possibly have some application criteria. How many motor magazines can their possibly be in the United States? Find the two most distributed ones and send them the samples. Do the same for two of the largest car magazines, I guarantee they would review them, and voila, you have an explosion of exposure.

The magazines themselves would be the first to say whether or not the product is legit or not, and since we have these tests and countless testimonials of people saying it does, there should be nothing to worry about right? I believe even if the magazines in question are bombarded with products to review, something like this would bump its way to the top because the entire country is doing the best it can to save money on gas, and products like this are on everyone's mind, if not alternative fuels altogether. This would not only cost Syntek very little money, but it would make them bajillionaires in the long run, IF the product really can show results.

I can agree from a rep's point of view that if you want a product you need to buy and try, but I am much more inclined to feel that many companies have been screwing consumers for so long that I think it wouldn't be asking too much for a new company with a product that does something this amazing , to take one for the team and prove itself before asking the consumer to take yet another risk. Its not the responsibility of the foot soldier to dish out the sample, but the company itself. This is big enough a deal as far as important products go that I would think there would be much more hoopla, much more exposure, and much more credible information available.

Reps take the hit on things like Javita coffee, its a reasonable product as far as expense goes, and even then I think a company itself could give a bit more to the people and let everyone have a taste. I give you guys credit for taking a shot and mailing these things out, knowing you may not get an order for more in return. That's the kind of effort I appreciate and its that side to true, legit mlms I wish people would think of when they ponder network marketing.

Anyway, this thread has been awesome, and I hope we manage to get even closer the "ultimate evidence" that says yay or nay, though we may never will, I have enjoyed this conversation with all of you.

Well Jon I have no clue!! LOL

I can check around & do some research on this & get you some answers. I am pretty glad that this board is here. It is helping me learn more about my company & making me go deeper into research. It will help me alot!

I am pretty sure that I would not try the salmon on tofu, YUCK!!! LOL

It took 2 tanks in my car, 4 tanks in another ones car & more than 5 in another one. It can take up to 3000 miles to find out how it works in your car. I have one guy that is getting a steady increase with each tank, it's a slow climb for his car.

As for GPEC, I will find out more about them & get that info & hopefully their site.

Wallace,

Now I remember talking to corp one time & I at the time was trying to do a raffle for my daughter in law & I asked about some product for the raffle. The lady checked & she said that they had given away what they could for the year, so they may have a certain amount that they can give to the reps.

Keep up the questions!!!

Heh, interesting. I couldn't tell you if gpec was legit or not, but the tests seem fishy to me. Seems like you really need to do the old fashioned kind of research to find any truth about anything. The older I get the more I am beginning to feel as though the internet is not a terribly reliable place, and that says a lot since you can find information on even the most obscure things. 50 years ago, the concept of proof was much simpler, but also harder to obtain. If you showed results to a test you had to be prepared to walk everyone through the entire scientific process. Nowadays companies insist you take their word for it, and you know what? We do. Most of us are too ignorant and lazy to do hard fact checking, and no one should be offended, its true. We have busy lives, plus we aren't all that interested in it unless that is our primary focus, like if we really need it, or we want to sell it. In theory, and with those nice pictures, it sure seems like this stuff works, but from a scientific perspective, I haven't seen a shred of what was once considered pure empirical truth. That isn't to be disrespectful though, nor cynical. This could be the real deal, but I can't afford to test it, nor take a chance on something I can't afford to be wrong about.

Is your company's product patented?  Does it have any history of its upbringing?  Has your products technology won any awards?

Patented,   Yes

Awards. Yes  http://ecovisionaryawards.org/

As for the history we have been around for 20yrs & the largest mining company PAMA from Indonesia  has been using it for years too. I will get that info as soon as I can find it & post it here too.

has the science of your product won a nobel prize?

Yes

Funny, I'm off posting 2 new topics elsewhere and there's a P***ing match going on.

Face it, both of you have products that MIGHT work amazingly, but both are in a specific market known for having products that don't, shall we say, live up to the hype.  Excuse people here from being skeptical and wanting to see proof.

Remember, I'm looking at BOTH companies as a possible rep. as either would compliment my 50% gas rebates from FillerUP Club.

Both companies have their questions - Angel, I've read the pdf above, done my own research, and while I'm interested in trying it, there seems to be NO relationship between a Nobel Prize and whatever the tabs are doing.  Talking about the space program, and stressing it's NOT a fuel addititive but the fule is just the delivery mechanism for the product to work ON THE METAL of the engine only leads to doubt and more questions - none of which are getting adequately answered.  Seriously, it's messing with the engine and we're supposed to think it's okay?  It was used in the space program but has never reached the public till now?  The Nobel prize work done has *something* to do with the product, but what exactly?

Beth, a fuel treatment.  How's it different than anything I pick up at an auto shop?  How's the product and company different than the dozens of others that preceeded it and failed or were shown to be hoaxes or lies?

I think both products are intriguing, and both have questions I'm sorting through.  I have my wife tracking her mileage between fillups so I can try one of them in her vehcile.

You both should focus on your product, which you both obviously love, and it's benefits - not start slinging mud here.

JP

https://s3.amazonaws.com/WebsiteAudios/TDK+CD+Audio

listen to this, this has one of the scientists talking about the science behind our product

I hope it didn't come off as mud slinging. I am enjoying answering these questions & I have even stated in the other board that we both have a awesome product.

How is ours different? Ours works. I haven't studied the others that have come & gone.

I am happy that she backs her product as she should. I would never put another persons product down.

@beth  i see that your company charges a monthly subscription to have their website.  do you pay that?

I'm a man, if you didn't notice the male symbol under the avatar pic