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    • May 16, 2011 1:05 AM PDT
    • Hi Tommy, I'll try to give you a bit of info on Kangen, at least my opinion anyway. As a history buff, I know the word "Kangen" actually refers to a period in Japanese history, similar to say: the "Sengoku" period. Kangen is the period that lasted from 1244 to 1247. The word itself translates to "back to beginning" or "return to origin", so you can see how it is relevant to drinking water and the theme that the Kangen company is going for. The company distributing Kangen purifiers is Enagic, who is representing the products here in North America and Europe. Originally, it started in Japan, and now its said that 1 in 5 homes is actually drinking Kangen water. I'm not big on water ionizers in general, but the concept itself is not a myth or a gimmick, at least not as far as Kangen is involved. If there is a place I trust to master the concept of fine tuning, refining, and perfecting, it is a culture like Japan's.

      Here in the West we have somewhat different philosophies when it comes to things like water. We aren't generally concerned about acidity, or alkaline levels; we just figure if it is free of germs, toxins and cat hair, we'll drink it lol, and that's ok, but there are some significant physiological functions that directly relate to the water we drink. Don't worry, I'm not here to pitch Kangen to you, or an mlm company, just to give you a run down of the company and its product. Put simply, the Kangen water purifier is designed to purify, and de-acidify, and de-electrolyze water the same way other water purifiers do but typical of the Japanese; they use the highest quality components in their units. This means you are going to pay with a capital P, but at the same time, the product you get is far superior.

      Most water purification units manage to create perfectly balanced alkaline levels in their water, and at an average for a quality machine of about $2000-3000. The top of the line Enagic Kangen machine costs about $4000. Now despite the Japanese technology, you're not just paying for the unit, but also the mlm opportunity (for what its worth anyway). I am not a Kangen rep, I would never spend $4000 for anything except a gaming PC lol, but I would be the first to tell you the machine is perfect from a technological perspective. One of the price boosters is the fact that it contains a platinum-coated titanium plate which is a main component in the ionization process. I'm not a fan of these kinds of things because the more you use the more it costs, and the more your body grows accustomed to needing super-purified substances, and that won't serve you incase of an emergency situation in which you have to drink normal contaminated water.

      The competition keeps their prices lower by using smaller plates, with less material usage, but the purification effect is short lived because the smaller size means it doesn't last as long. Another issue is that they clog up more often, especially in places where the water is "hard" or full of ferrous. That's basically the scoop on the Kangen water machine, though I don't know much about their compensation plan, I would guess they're a solid company with a solid product, and if I had any interest in starting a home business, I would at least consider them. Hope this helps.

    • May 10, 2011 6:04 AM PDT
    • I'm still being pitched on Kangen water and a Kangen Water ionizer from Enagic. I still have not seen any good responses as to whether this is a scam or if there is some genuine benefit to ionized "Kangen Water".

       

       Enagic is an MLM, right? Is this just a hyped up water filter?

      Does Ionized kangen water do anything to help my body or my health in any way, other than just drinking more water might be good for me? The machines being pitched cost up to $4000 dollars. I'd have to drink a helluvalot of water to make that worthwile.

       

    • April 12, 2011 3:43 AM PDT
    • Lol, Amen Rick.

      I really tried hard with this one to be more patient and open to listen but those last two posts of his were barely coherent, let alone truthful. It is very obviously a placebo effect, and I'm increasingly troubled by the amount of people that just can't see through it. I don't understand it no matter how hard I try. I don't think its fair or kind to say that athletes are tools, BUT, when you begin to see sports as an industry, and that is basically the shoe that fits; its easy to start to lose your appreciation for these guys when life consists of steroids, over compensation, advertising and the inevitable decline as the "big" life begins to degrade their personality and their athletic ability. Just look at Tiger, he can't even qualify for competitions he used to destroy. Its all just a big repetitious cycle of juiced up fat heads that have been groomed to think they are more important than they are, and there are legions, LEGIONS of fans that will buy whatever athletes promote, be it products, advice, or image. Obviously not all athletes deserve such a harsh summary, but I'll be damned if any athlete is going to convince me to buy a damned thing.

      Hit the ball, smile for the camera, give millions upon millions of beer guts in bars across the world something to holler about after work, but definitely keep your advice about life or products to yourself lol. As hostile as this may sound, I'm really not trying to trash a true athlete; someone dedicating their lives to be the best, its the glam trash I'm targeting, the guys who promote and promote and promote, those that are products of steroidal fitness engineering, make millions of dollars and still find the time and desire for dog fighting and serial infidelity. So you got this guy coming into this thread slapping out a chain of "proof" that Swat works because athletes say so? pffffffffffff lol. :P

    • April 12, 2011 2:14 AM PDT
    • Chris' posts are a mess of copy/paste random nonsense talking about major universities that aren't named and tests done without naming the tests or leaving a link to any kind of empirical data. I'd normally have jumped on this and left a 3 page rant, but basically everyone else put it into as good a perspective as any, and its obviously bullshit product, from a bullshit company advertised by a bull shitting poster. I'm not going to be nice about it, its one thing when a rep has come to believe in a product that people with more common sense can see through, but its all together different when someone does it blatantly to sell, and that's you Chris. I have no doubt in my mind that you know its a placebo. To me, the kind of company you represent is exactly what has been wrong with just about every trade, transaction, or exchange of goods or currency since mankind first started doing business of any kind. Trash peddled by con artists. Some things will never change.

    • April 11, 2011 1:54 AM PDT
    • chris, was the test done through the acsm?

    • April 11, 2011 12:23 AM PDT
    • Ahh, thank you for clarifying, I hadn't heard of the swats band, I'll be sure to do some research.

    • April 11, 2011 12:14 AM PDT
    • Hi Chris, welcome to Repspace. If I may respectfully ask, would you mind just giving a brief rundown of the last couple posts? Just trying to understand what S.W.A.T.S has to do with cPrime, I admittedly haven't read all three posts because there is no introductory revealing its direction.

    • April 9, 2011 4:47 AM PDT
    • Boy Chris, what a croc of a response that was...First of all your defensiveness shows a rather weak link on your stability chain to be responding to some fairly honest and respectable observations about your product, and I don't personally care if you have 200 athletes talking about your product, athletes are tools, and they will do and believe whatever the dollar tells them so you can plug that right in. I think plenty of people "understand" the "technology" just fine, they also understand your brand of snake oil selling and that is exactly what you do, nice try in trying to divert it though. If you cant take some fairly tough questions without responding like a jerk then you need to stay out of the thread. What sane person would choose to meet up with you after your weak attempt at degrading their character, as if you have any basis at all to determine whether or not they sell themselves short, who the hell are you and where did you buy that giant horse? lol

    • April 7, 2011 1:13 AM PDT
    • You mean to tell me you guys are for real, and this stuff actually works? If you don't mind, this question is for anyone with any experience using these kinds of products. The first thing I'm going to ask you is, why wouldn't this kind of med tech be available in more mainstream science, hospitals, and just about every fitness gym in the world? Are there any actual published scientific reports that prove that manipulating the human body's magnetic field has any effect at all outside of a good science fiction movie? I'm not trying to put yall down but I have a hard time with products like this, because there is never any scientific basis behind it that doesn't involve plugging fake technology terms that aren't even real terms. I think the fact that a placebo effect has even become a scientifically recognized phenomena means that it has a great deal more power than we like to give it credit for, and that a person's mind is the very first thing to determine how the body feels, and when you convince the mind that the body feels good, then it does!

    • April 6, 2011 12:44 AM PDT
    • Understandable. I actually don't really have a hard time believing in EMF manipulation, its a fact that we have energy/magnetic fields, and I'm sure that it contributes to how we feel in ways, our health etc, I found it harder to believe that money making companies have managed to tap into the technology before medical science. Of course the medical community really doesn't have our best interest at hand, and that's a fact. As far as them not replacing it, I hope you find some success, because that is lame to sell a faulty product and not be willing to replace it.

      Good luck to you.

    • April 6, 2011 12:26 AM PDT
    • I did notice good results with the cprime bracelet but the faulty clast that rusted caused all of them to fall off and get lost within a month. Cprime will not replace them so I am letting the world know.

       I am trying a necklace by Healthy Habits that seems as good.
       I do believe in the technology and the effects of EMF on the body.
      I felt better balanced , more stamina, and my arthritic hands did not feel so soar. 
      I am mostly making a fuss over bad customer service.
       If they send me a new band with the new design they have replaced the old clasp. I would wear it.
      Michael Gomez 

    • April 5, 2011 11:51 PM PDT
    • Michael, I'm curious, are you a rep for any companies? Also, have you had actual results using any of those type of products? I'm not grilling you, nor going to criticize you, but you mentioned results, so I am assuming you believe in these types of technology. That being the case, which products did you notice the most results with, and what kind of results did you experience?

    • April 5, 2011 2:16 PM PDT
    • Cprime sucks!

      They designed faulty clasps and all my potential clients bracelets fell off. Cprime will not replace them. Bad business. There are several other companies who make this type of product that work just? as well. I am trying out a necklace with Healthy Habits? not with even better results.

    • April 9, 2011 4:11 AM PDT
    • Couldn't agree more at this point, I just responded to a post about GreenFoot Global and after doing a bit of research have come to believe these are all nothing but fuel injection cleaners, and that they are packaged in all kinds of various disguises but all perform the same function which is give your vehicle a boost making you think something particularly awesome has occurred and fooling you into thinking that your tank has gained an additional 2-3 gallons of fuel, which at this point everyone wants since all they manage to do is stand around bitching about fuel prices lol.

    • April 7, 2011 3:59 PM PDT
    • Oh. Wow. Another fuel additive MLM?

      Have any of these ever survived? "Is EnviroTabs a scam?" Have any of them ever NOT been scams?

      Where to begin. How about "Texas Attorney General Abbott Shuts Down Pyramid Scheme That Marketed Bogus Fuel Pill" ( BioPerformance ). They were ordered to return more than $7 million dollars.

      Has GreenFoot Global registered their product as a Fuel Additive with the EPA? Is the documentation available? You can buy fuel additives that will burn out the carbon in your engine at Pep Boys. If a clean engine makes for better mileage, does that make them all "Green" products?

      They say they are "Patented" on their website, but the EnviroTabs video says "Patent Pending". Two totally different things. Like saying you're girlfriend pay let you sleep with her vs your girlfriend is pregnant. "Patent Pending" is thrown around all the time in MLM mostly without any substance.

      Ethos FR was another fuel additive MLM. Now they sell erectile dysfunction pills under the name Regenerect ( maybe they are the same tabs <sarcasm off/> )

      A quote from another MLM watchdog site:

      First, you should know that virtually every "gas additive" MLM over the last 30+ years has arrived with fanfare, been discredited, and disappeared into oblivion.

      I think all of the above speaks for itself. 

    • April 7, 2011 3:38 PM PDT
    • Just got pitched on a green fuel additive tablet from GreenFoot Global.

      Claims to improve mileage and cut emissions. This sounds like a company I was pitched on a few years ago Ethos or something like that. Are Envirotabs a scam?

    • April 1, 2011 4:46 AM PDT
    • [quote user="Tantamount"]

      Whats worst about the program is that it also jacks the server logs of the sites it scrapes. Its fake traffic. We had an problem with them at my last company and we got hundreds of 404 blown page errors everyday because GoScraper couldnt even follow the sitemap in its searh for emails to spam.

      [/quote]

      Add a page to your server that includes the phone numbers for all of the Attorney General offices in the country. Or the direct number to various police departments. Since the program just scrapes, and the spammers / telemarketers just drop the numbers into an autodialer, that ought to fix them pretty quick.

    • March 31, 2011 11:37 PM PDT
    • Oh I very much dislike these stupid programs and they lead nowhere but spamville. I was just watching a video on YouTube of a guy explaining and pushing this and I noticed he had elft his comments disabled. I am not very good at conflict and confrentation but I really had it in mind to just give him a huge piece of my mind and tell him what a jerk I think he is for perpetuating anything like this. Unethical is putting it lightly, I have lost several email accounts, some one I had for over a decade but I just couldn't keep it clear of spam. All kinds of spam, 150 emails a day of junk, and that is to say nothing of telemarketers, which is also pretty frequent, at least once to twice a month, and is that too much? YES!

    • March 31, 2011 11:26 AM PDT
    • There are people marketing GoScraper via YouTube videos.

      They show how easy it is to scrape emails and phone numbers.

      They dial using Gmail Internet phone.

      They try to get people to buy GoScraper...so they can get a $50.00 commission and teach the new lemming to do the same thing.

      Haven't seen one video or testimonial from anyone selling any other product using this Scrape & Spam method. Guess GoScraper only appeals to other people who want to spam other people who want to spam other people ( cut and paste ad infinitem )

    • March 31, 2011 11:22 AM PDT
    • GoScraper is to real marketing what Boones Farm is to fine wine.

      Whats worst about the program is that it also jacks the server logs of the sites it scrapes. Its fake traffic. We had an problem with them at my last company and we got hundreds of 404 blown page errors everyday because GoScraper couldnt even follow the sitemap in its searh for emails to spam.

       

    • March 31, 2011 7:23 AM PDT
    • If you are not familiar with GoScraper, here's the deal.

      It's a software program that goes out and "scrapes" email addresses and phone numbers from web pages. It's being marketed to MLM and Network Markets as a tool to reach other marketers in the business.

      Here's the main problem - sending unsolicited emails is against the law.  Calling people who may be on a do-not-call list isn't much better. Either way, it's completely unethical.

      Another problem - you're scraping the same pages as everyone else, for the same email addresses.

      It's like buying a list of leads that's already been used a few hundred times.

      The GoScraper software costs $99.00. $49 goes to the company, $50 goes to whoever referred you.

      Non-refundable. In theory.

      Probably better off paying for PPC advertising on Google Adwords or buying opt-in MLM leads from Safeleads.com than buying a tool to help you spam people.

       

    • February 24, 2011 1:16 AM PST
    • [quote user="Abbey"]

      Same here. Gene Ursua started sending me the same email using the CC line so everyone in his spam can then spam everyone else. Now I'm getting junk mail from dozens of sources.

      This one loser mde my email account unusable. Is that a facebook photo? This spamming toolbag is a member of the US armed forces? Send him to Iraq.

      [/quote]

      I'm getting spam from this Toolbag too.

      He's promoting "GlobalVIPLaunch" which has no info, no address, no names, just a bunch of lemmings signing up because of a fear of loss about being involved in the next big thing.

      I'm filing a CAN SPAM complaint. I'd complain directly to Global VIP Launch but they don't have any contact info on their smoke and mirrors website.

      P*SS OFF GENE URSUA

    • February 9, 2011 3:53 AM PST
    • Same here. Gene Ursua started sending me the same email using the CC line so everyone in his spam can then spam everyone else. Now I'm getting junk mail from dozens of sources.

      This one loser mde my email account unusable. Is that a facebook photo? This spamming toolbag is a member of the US armed forces? Send him to Iraq.

    • February 9, 2011 1:08 AM PST
    • I am getting spammed by a jerk named Gene Ursua from GlobalVIPLaunch. I never asked for information on this questionable company and now I cant get him to stop sending me crap from his yahoo address. I looked at the stupid site and theres no product stuff or executive stuff just a sign up form. LAME.

      geneursua@yahoo.com

      Subject: Business for Our Organization

       

      Sir/Madam:

       

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